Tuesday, August 10, 2021

Interview: Over Her Tears

 Link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1l-0AvPu3wutj9eZMW-onZzhueq_9NJUu/view?fbclid=IwAR1JoR0VxDGEqNspViigyOgwA7Li5ySFtq9u3G1r2ilCqbbPydrwa2BEl9A

1.     Please introduce yourself to our readers.

I am Radha Paudel, Nurse, Author, Activist and Founder for global network called Global South Coalition for Dignified Menstruation.

 

2.     What was the deciding factor or experience that led you to step into women and humanitarian rights?

It has long story, about forty years or since childhood. The traumatic experience from the menstrual discrimination at the age of 7 was one of the key driving force to convert as transformative leader. Additionally, I witnessed the hardship from poverty, deprivation and survival from war which shape my goal of life.

 

 

3.     Your work as a nurse has led you to witness and experience many things. Do you think that your profession in medicine has affected your personality, values, and your ability to respond to women's rights issues? 

Before joining the nursing profession, I was peace rebellion for justice at home, school and community. Of course, my exposure in Operation Theater as an anesthetic nurse, sharpen my knowledge, skills specially making decisions in very difficult situations, and resilience to work with limited resources. I have master’s degrees in public health, sociology and development but my nursing profession (up to bachelor degree) works as fabric. It was so easy to reach out the minds and hearts of agitated groups during the course of Maoist insurgency or Madhesh movement or boarder blockade or earthquake or flood or COVID-19 pandemic. Nursing gives me the power for robust the emotional intelligence on my work.

 

 

4.     You have written many books that put across your passion and your efforts. What made you first start writing and what does writing mean to you?

I am have been writing since childhood. I remembered that it was grade 4 by writing and reciting poems. Whatever I wrote book or poem or story or article, it’s for two reason. First I felt suffocation, exclusion because no one see the issues what I see. I was alone in crowd. No one listening me then I write. Its therapy for me. Meanwhile, other side of the coin, its for social transformation. How could I engaged the people towards the idea as I see or work. Coming from very poor, rural and non-political background, I struggle so much for creating space for me. I chose path in every aspect very challenging and I inspired from challenges. So writing is just documentations of my challenges and ways to inspire and transform.

 

 

5.     What motivates you the most to keep working as a humanitarian activist?

The childhood stories which were traumatic for me, the life of my mother and the girls, women and others who are struggling in a same manner even after 40 years.

I received all kinds of threatens including life killing and merely zero funding though I am trying my best to represent the girl, women and others all around the globe.

 

 

6.     If you could, is there anything you would change or do differently from your earlier years as an activist? 

I am desperate to learn and I am transforming myself every day. I review and take corrective actions every day. I wanted to focus on evidence based advocacy at the global level around dignified menstruation. I wanted to do more researches, allies with national, regional, global networks and urge to change the narratives from hygiene to dignity to all identities and throughout their life cycle.  

 

 

7.     How has Nepal society’s approach to gender equality shifted over the past few decades?

There is huge changes in policy since 2007 but merely the absence in practice. Many of the stakeholders (providers and claimer) do not aware well about the essence and process for it. Regards to the dignified menstruation, its just beginning and long way to go though Nepal is pioneering country for it and crucial means for achieving gender equality.

 

 

8.              Other cultures apart from Chhaupadi have been outlawed but enforcement remains weak. What is your opinion on other cultures such as dowry, witchcraft, or child marriage?

It’s sad to share that the merely almost all stakeholders from government to experts, they do not see the menstrual discrimination is underlying cause for power imbalance, inequality and gender norms. Menstrual discrimination includes a range of taboos, stigma, shyness, restrictions, abuses, violence associated with menstruation throughout the life cycle of the menstrurators in all identities. The Chhaupadi is a local language use in few districts in west Nepal but the menstruation discrimination is prevails across the world with differences in names, forms and magnitude. Thus, the child marriage, dowry or witchcraft are the outcomes of menstrual discrimination. Since 1962 UN and its stakeholders started to work against child marriage globally but the pace of reduction is very slow. Menstrual discrimination plays to construct the power, body image and autonomy since childhood around 6-9 years. Therefore, without initiating the dialogue on dignified menstruation from home, merely possible to address other forms of gender based violence including child marriage.

 

9.              In your opinion, what is the government’s role in tackling gender-related issues, such as Chhaupadi? 

Government has recognized the all forms of discrimination associated with menstruation. Therefore, considered dignified menstruation is flagship program of Ministry of Women, Children and Senior Citizen. Government urged to all to mark the dignified menstruation day for 8th December since 2019 and incorporate it across all programs. Also co-host the international workshop on dignified menstruation 2020 first of its kinds. If the government seriously take actions as it’s promised and pioneer for dignified menstruation.

 

 

10.           You have experienced many representative positions and also have founded some impressive organizations. What difference is there between working alone as an activist and working together in an organization?

Both are so much challenging. While I worked as employee, I often found alone and excluded due to not able to make pleased and representing the voice of voiceless as mentioned in project documents. I had hard time to compromise with my integrity and ethics. For small level of impact, have to spend so much energy to cross the barriers and reaching out the people who were in as like my childhood. Eventually, I quit such jobs and accept the life without any luxuries.

In other hand, I founded many organizations and networks including the Global South Coalition for Dignified Menstruation (GSCDM). GSCDM is initiated without funding and leading such an innovative and holistic approach of dignified menstruation. For it, the rigorous researches, publication, piloting the models and reach out the global community which is heavily compromised due to not having funding. If there is no funding, everyone say `nice’ but no one like to partner or support for cause. Working with limited resources including human resources in such competitive world from global south who has already living in minority, is very challenging. But I am enjoying my hardship because this is my choice and I do not like to cheat myself at least.

 

 

 

11.           Do you face discrimination and injustice working in leadership positions as a woman?

Since day one, I worked in leadership position effective from my nurse job. The discrimination and threatening are very common in my life within family (specially I was in minority and abandoned since I started to work in organizations which I founded means no income), country and everywhere they do not like see me or hear my name. I have dozens of examples of it including life killing threatens.

 

12.           What were the main challenges, social stigmas you had to overcome when establishing your organizations and foundation?

Oh, do not ask. It takes for 7 days to explain. Person like me who work and from rural, poor, non-political or any connection with powerful people at capital city, have to experiences challenges at every steps. The very harsh NGO culture here in Nepal. No one like to see or hear from the person or organization without funding. No one respect for cause or passion. In addition, I am very logical, straight and focusing on very ignored, overlooked issue `menstruation’. Therefore neither I nor cause or any team members of mine are choice of beaurocrates or NGOs or funders. I speak with evidences, with integrity and for poor, vulnerable and socially excluded people so I am in exclusion. I do not have land or house or car or job so I am not their choice.

At the global level, Nepal and person like me from Nepal is not important at all. They all like to use me or my story but not ready to accept me as leader. I was challenged and threatened at global level as well. Everyone preached about inclusion, empowering women leaders from global south but no one like to do in practice. If not, the GSCDM and dignified menstruation should not struggle as this level.

 

 

13.           Due to the establishment of your organization, what kind of improvements have you observed in society?

Despite hardship and exclusion, there are huge impacts at all levels. Often I see the impact is much wider and deeper.

At the global level, many universities, forums, networks recently interested towards the dignified menstruation as a cross cutting issue. We spoke at UN-CSW65, Men Engage Alliance –Global and others. The articles also publish around menstruation. We conducted international workshop on Dignified menstruation in 2020. We have already started the preparatory work for global summit for Dignified Menopause for to mark the international dignified menstruation day 2021. We initiated the dignified menstruation day for 8th December since 2019. We are the pioneer for dignified menstruation. The GSCDM will be moving forward where the stakeholders from various walks are joined from across the globe as speaker, member or country coordinator.

At the national level, the ministries (ministry of women, Ministry of Health, Ministry of Education, Ministry of water supply) started to work around dignified menstruation where the ministry of women has more scope. The law has already formed. Few organizations are started to work on dignified menstruation on their own.

At the local level, dozons of CSOs, NGOs are working around dignified menstruation. Just recently, the number of stakeholders are increasing towards dignified menstruation.

 

 

14.           We would love to be a part of raising awareness about what the ‘International Dignified Menstruation Day’ represents and why it should be celebrated. Could you briefly introduce what the ‘International Dignified Menstruation Day’ is to our readers and what role we can partake in it?

 

At first, the 16 days activism against the violence for girls and women is global campaign for prevention of various forms of SGBV, celebration of success around it and promotion of human right, for 16 days every year from November 25 to December 10 since 1991. Here, the menstrual discrimination itself a form of SGBV in many ways according to UN. Menstrual discrimination affected the lives of menstrurators from womb to tomb even after the death in some culture. According to the UN categorization, there is violence directly related with menstrual discrimination. The physical assault (beating, biting, burning, kicking), punishment for defying cultural norms are under physical violence, the verbal abuse, confinement, social exclusion, humiliation, manipulation are under the emotional/psychological violence, the attempted rape, rape, sexual assault, sexual exploitation are under sexual violence and the denying girls their right to education, giving boys/men preferential access to food or services are under the denial of access to resources and services. Therefore, menstrual discrimination is purely a form of SGBV and violation of human right in many ways. It plays role for cause and effect of SGBV too. For instance, the denial the right to education is itself of the violation of human right. It leads for child or early marriage. That leads to early child bearing and might get complications and also impact on economic opportunities in short. Thus, dignified menstruation is an element of 16 days activism.  

Second, all stakeholders must be clear on the language. Because language construct the mind set and guide to choose the behavior in common sense of human civilization. The history, background and practice of menstrual hygiene day is for water, sanitation, products and infrastructure. These are important elements for DM but not guarantee the dignity of menstrurators throughout the life cycle within all identities. RPF/GSCDM urge to called dignified menstrual hygiene day which help to bring the stakeholders towards the dignity of menstrurators. Talking constantly about hygiene also often allow to think or reinforce the idea of menstrual blood is impure and dirty that is why menstrurators should care or hide. The suicide of 14 years girls in Kenya in 2019 where the government initiated free menstrual pad scheme since 2017, was an example to rethink more loudly around the impact of menstrual discrimination among us (Hervey, 2019). We encourage to all readers to think that the dignified menstruation is not only for five days or 60 mil blood. It is about throughout life cycle within all identities, consequences associated with menstruation, social, political, economic, environmental, technological aspect of menstruation.

DM is for reconstruction of the power that constructed and shape since childhood. Any form of menstrual discrimination leads the idea of menstrurators are an `impure’, `inferior’ `powerless’ and disadvantaged. In other hand, the non-menstrurators considered `pure’, `superior’, `powerful’, and `privileged’. Due to deep silence and ignorance around menstruation at home and school, where both are mostly feeling of `shocked’, `disgusted’, `discomfort’, `surprised’, `hated’, and so one which constantly feed to them and community that the menstrurators are inferior and others are superiors. The unequal power relations and gender norms formed and practiced in a way that become culture or tradition or taken for granted. Eventually, the SGBV is manifested in many ways. Globally, one out of three women experienced SGBV at their life time but it does not reflect all forms of violence that occurred from menstrual discrimination. In order to deconstruct and reconstruct the power, the dialogue on dignified menstruation should constantly happen everywhere. As a result, the menstrurators considered themselves pride and acknowledge that they deserved the dignity and non-menstrurators acknowledge the essence of menstruation or presence of planet. For achieving overarch goal of gender justice and human right, needs to celebrate the menstruation throughout 24/7. Practically, which is not possible therefore dedicated day for DM significantly urgent and important. Finally, DM is urging everyone through the lens of human right across all sectors and levels therefore chose the month of December as human right month.

The first year, 2019, was marked with the slogan of `Dignified Menstruation for preventing SGBV and promotion of Human right’. In 2020, the dignified menstruation day marked with `menstrual talk, dignity first’ in many ways and almost throughout year. This year, the number of countries and organizations would go higher and the day will be marking with `Dignified Menopause is a Human Right not a Privileges.’

 

15.           Could you explain in your own words how respecting the dignity of menstruation impacts women's participation? 

Across the globe, the dining table or kitchen is the primary level of parliament or political participation. And the other institutions like school workplace or anywhere wherever they are, they are exercising the power including the house of representative. For instance, the 9 out of 10 menstrurators experienced anxiety in UK (2021) and 63 % women do not feel comfortable to go outside; school, workplace or market, due to fear of leaking and shyness in Canada.  If any menstrurators, unable to participate with dignity or with freedom and liberty as we all agreed in International Human Right Declaration, how could we achieve the goal of political participation or SDGs. More importantly, the self image, self esteem, self autonomy and self-determination are formed during childhood. If the girls are living with dignity before having menstruation or six years onwards, she could claim the political space wherever she stands otherwise she even cannot say `no’ to her siblings of parents if she would experience bad touch or inhuman response at home. Thus, dignified menstruation significantly a key factor for building agency and claiming political realms.

 

16.           The Radha Paudel Foundation has amazing responses to the effects of COVID-19. When the pandemic took effect, what did you feel was a priority and how did you respond to it?

Since beginning of its foundation, it has been intensively engaged in any crisis. I was following the news of BBC Nepali service and knew about the deaths of COVID infected people due to not having oxygen. As an anesthetic nurse, I know the value of oxygen per breath. I literally crying for a while. I recalled my late mother who often told me that the crying is not solution. So I started to make groups across all social media and appealed for support. It really worked out indeed. I deed same as during devastating earthquake in 2015. I can’t just see or close my eyes while the poor people are suffering.

 

 

17.           What is the next step you are planning to take in the Radha Paudel Foundation? 

Desperately looking for building the global momentum for dignified menstruation through research, networking, alliance building and policy advocacy. Looking for very passionate, dynamic youths who can take the space of mine as legacy because I believe in Miteri where the mutual love and respect works beyond blood and marriage or by cause. I strongly believe that no one born by choice and everyone’s live is precious equally.

 

18.           What would you like to say to the youth who would like to pursue women's rights as women leaders?

Please…,  please….,  please… do not deviate with your goal. Do not trust blindly to crowd. Do feel always your are half empty means ready to delearn and learn. Keep doing with passion, people and money will come to shake hands towards you. If any of you like to work with me (physically or virtually) feel free to reachout. I only have a condition, that is consistency and passion again.

 Tuka Chhetri Sandwell, her son James Sandwell were here in Nepal and visited Bhaktapur, Sipaghaat, Parasi (Tihar celebration), Gorkha Kalik...